Phantom V Distillery/Alcohol/Doing Things Differently/Innovative Business/Brandy/Distilled Specialty Spirit
Jan 10, 2024
Chris Groves and Mike Hammerly Phantom V
Wed, Aug 09, 2023 10:37AM • 1:03:19
SPEAKERS
Chris Groves, Brandy Von Holten, Mike Hammerly
Brandy Von Holten
Welcome back to Big Boss Mare with Brandy Von Holten. Today I have two guests with me. I have someone by the name of Chris groves. And I have Mike Hammerly. Okay, but these two are part of phantom V. Okay, so Phantom V. So go ahead and tell us what Phantom V is. Oh, okay, so we're gonna have Mike Mike's gonna start.
Mike Hammerly
So Phantom V is a group of five guys that got together. And the five of us put together Phantom V, we started doing this as a side thing. You know, the all five of us currently have jobs.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, and so where are you? Where are you located?
Mike Hammerly
Warrensburg Missouri.
Brandy Von Holten
Warrensburg, Missouri. Okay. And you are a distillery. Yes, distillery and a restaurant all in one. Yes. Okay. So there's five people, well, kind of all in one. Not really but kind of. Okay. And we'll get into that. Okay. So there's five owners, right? So that V doesn't stand for vodka. That V is a Roman numeral for the number five. Exactly. Okay. So let's go into everybody's names first. So you're Mike Hammerly and we've got Chris Groves. So who are the other three?
So we got Mike Berkshire. And then we also have Jim Stuck, and Lonnie Atkinson.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay. Now then all of you have you have different jobs other than Phantom V. Yes. Okay. So go ahead and tell us what those
Mike Hammerly
are. So I worked for a company called SMC and I'm a automation specialist with them then within 35 years.
Chris Groves
I'm Chris groves. I'm automation engineer. Essentially, I have been working with all pro electrical for seven years now.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, and then do your work with Mike, Jim and Monte outside of Phantom V.
Chris Groves
So yeah, they're all part of All Pro Electrical as well.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay. So I will tell you, you know what, like, a lot of people that tune into this podcast or country people, right? Have any of y'all ever rode a horse? Or? Oh, yeah, what have you what? Tell me about these horses that you've rode before?
Mike Hammerly
Back in the day, I had a real soft spot for Appaloosas. Okay, and so that was one of the ones that my family and my grandfather in that stuff that hadn't got to write it occasionally.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, what was your favorite Appaloosas name? Oh, my. Oh, back. We have one named peppercorn peppercorns ever. Corn is awful. I told my husband that he basically married I'm the woman that I am is basically the horse that he has, cuz she's kind of she's pretty. She kind of thick. She got an attitude. She got big boobies. And then she she'll put you in your place in like two seconds, but then she'll love you forever if you treat her good. So I'm just like, oh, and then we use her for Kids Camp. You know, but that's we have one I call her a crap a Lusa. But that horse loves me. She's 19 This year, and you can tell her jaw she got kicked by another horse. And it's got like a horseshoe indention into the jaw. But that's pepper corn. All of our other animals are like, brownish or yellow. And then we've got ever gone out in the middle of the pasture. So do you remember any of their names? And it's been so long ago? No, it's you don't even care about their names. You're one of them cowboys? This language is riding horses. They don't have blue and red. Yeah, so yeah. So what did you ride before Chris?
Chris Groves
So I'm not sure what breed she was. But the worst we always had there on the farm when I grew up was her name was Feriss. Ferriss. Okay. She was mean,
Brandy Von Holten
she was most the females are. Yeah, do you know this one. This podcast is called Big Boss Mare with Brandy Von Holten. And I tell everybody, it's not the size of the mayor. It's the size of the boss. And everybody always thinks it's like the stallion in charge. But there's actually usually one female in charge of the herd. So that's what that's supposed to be about. I went and did a presentation in another like it was Springfield, or Columbia or something. And they thought I was Big Boss, Marie. And I was like, No, that's mayor. And they were like, Oh, we thought your name was Marie. And I was like, it's called Big Boss Mare with brandy von Holten. You thought it was Big Boss Marie with brandy von Holten. And I was like, okay, they thought it's like two people. I thought that was cute though. It's, it's good for me to meet people outside of my horse industry. Okay, so let's talk about Okay. Where your family were your family's is originally receptive to y'all doing this or did you? What did they think the initial thoughts of like, hey, We're gonna open a distillery
Mike Hammerly
when we're all behind it, you know, but I've been doing it for quite a while with the wines and some of the things prior to that. So I kept a lot of the family and free alcohol. So I was a pretty good, you know, I was popular, yes, very pumped kind of like owning a bobcat or something. Everybody's your buddy, can I borrow your bobcat?
Brandy Von Holten
Or if you got a friend with a Ford Ranger, to move a couch? They are your best friend. Okay. So, okay, so tell me how long have you been making? So you were one of the primary ones you and Chris were the primary ones. So tell me about that. Do you serve the wine?
No, we do not. That's kind of one of the things that's kind of my side. My specialty back, you know, still doing it. Often. That's on the side. I used to compete in wine competitions and got a lot of metals, gold medals and Silver's and some bronzes. And did everything from ports depend on you know, Noir's to all just different kinds of wines and
Brandy Von Holten
you're so much classier than I am. I don't know, I don't know, all the different alcohols. I am not an expert. I mean, I know what I like. But then I don't know I am. I know. We went to Mexico before and I got to drink in some vodka with some Russians. And I was I was not ready. I was not ready. I did not understand the assignment at all. So all right, so you know what, it's kind of weird to hear people some things that they have competed in. So because I peed, I competed in a pie baking contest. But then I was still a school teacher. So my, I got up super early. And it was for the governor's wife or something at the state fair. So I made two homemade pies. And then I made my husband take them. And because I won, we picked the prettiest one. And whenever they started announcing people, they had to go up there and talk about it. And he was like, dear Lord, baby Jesus, please don't let my wife weigh in. Please don't let my wife weigh in because he was the only one there and he was going to have to be I mean, you had to be about, I don't know. He said almost everybody was there was about 40 years older than him at the time. And then there was not hardly any guys. And then he was going to have to go up there and talk about this pie. So and then competed in a chili contest one time I got second and I and it was just because they liked the name. I caught it. Slacker grandma chili, because you need go home slapping grandma and be like, Why didn't you make chili like this? It's just because we put a bunch of bacon in it. But do you know the person that won that chili contest, what they had done was they had used canned chili, and then they use canned jalapenos, and put in there and they beat everybody's chili. So the person that got really upset about it that had spent three days making their chili. They were like, I'm judging it next year. And do you know that they chose that same person's chili again? Even the person that was like, Oh, no. And they were just devastated whenever exposed like on the bottom of it, and they said who had made it? It just cracks me up. That can't hormel chili with him some jalapenos in it. Apparently that is popular. It sounds good stuff. Oh, it sounds like it would make my stomach hurt for a week. Yes. So all right. So tell me so your family was super supportive? And they're just like, hey, yeah. What about your family?
So my family, it was more of a don't talk don't tell scenario. Okay. So my wife, she's a teacher. And so she was concerned about her
Brandy Von Holten
public view, public view, right. And so you don't want to be like, Hey, do what was that TV show where one of the teachers was an exotic dancer. And it was what is that blue Night? Blue? Oh, what is that football thing. And the boy is a big guy. And he has a pet pig. You know, like public public view, right? Of what teachers, but your wife was being very conservative. And she and she's just like, oh, gosh, I don't want them to think I can don't alcohol. Exactly.
Chris Groves
And so and so we've really never shared that outside of the family. Okay, even even with the family. So it was several years before we actually even told her parents that we were involved in this.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, and then what was their response?
Chris Groves
Oh, they thought it was great.
Brandy Von Holten
Oh my gosh, and y'all were so nervous the entire time that like, Oh, they're gonna think that we're like, pushing alcoholism and that we're like, I don't know like here you can buy alcohol but we're gonna put it in brown bag like they thought there was.
So yeah, so I mean, they they grew up in Herrmann. And so they've got a lot of that wine background and alcohol in the area. And so they have always had that sort of stigma against alcohol anyway, just because people come to town they get drunk and then they leave or what whoever that is. And so with that being said, they, we always thought that they wouldn't be receptive to the idea of someone else. You know, making alcohol in the family, so, so we never told them.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, so, um, has your wife had any backlash or anything with y'all have been part of Phantom V, or being one of the five?
Chris Groves
I don't think she's told anyone yet. No community?
Brandy Von Holten
Oh, no. Oh, here we are.
Chris Groves
It is what it is. Right. Well, it
Brandy Von Holten
is what it is. I mean, hiding a successful business.
Chris Groves
I wouldn't say that she's hiding anything. She's just opting to not tell anyone. Okay. If they don't ask. They don't she didn't tell.
Brandy Von Holten
So I'll tell you what, you know, I, I had talked to y'all before we had started this. And I talked to you about my fighting career before because I had tried to go to the Olympics. And so and I had gotten originally into teaching because I had summers off. Well, I remember teaching at Truman High School. And I was a biology instructor there while I got Blackeye one weekend. So I'm coming to school and you're not wanting to condone fighting. So I understand what but what we did is like a Olympic level fighting like I fought in other countries. I'm not some thug being like, I'm gonna fight you was fighting. It was a sport. Oh, yes. It's a game of chess with major consequences. Okay, so I had like, put the makeup on. Like, I came into school, like, I am with the eyes, right? And the kids are like, What are you doing? I was like, I got a black eye. And I don't want the principal to get in, you know, to be upset with me thinking I'm trying to condone fighting to y'all. So anyways, at the end of the day, I was like, I can't wear this makeup like this. For weeks, I went and showed her and she was like, that's an awesome black. Ah. But she was like, No, it's a it's a full contact sport. She's like, you know, the kids are bruised up from football and from other sports. And they're like you're trying, they're like, you're trying to go to the Olympics. So like, I was so nervous, and I had wore some like hideous purple and blue eyeshadow trying to match the other eye. And I had so much fear thinking that they were going to say something they didn't. So I understand. Because you're with your wife being in a small town. And but I bet they're gonna be like that. It's so cool. Can you sponsor this? Can you sponsor that?
Chris Groves
Well, I don't know. I couldn't say yeah. Okay,
Brandy Von Holten
so how did the other people's families deal with y'all are dealing with y'all wanting to do this?
Chris Groves
I don't know, each, each member of the group, the families had different reactions, but at the end, it seemed like everybody was on board with it once we told them, but everyone seemed to have their own reason for not telling in the beginning.
Brandy Von Holten
So one family member, like, the wife was concerned about the public image and about being connected with religion and just being like, Hey, we're not wanting to can, you know, worried about that. And then another one, like, they're one of their family members is a counselor that actually helps people overcome alcoholism. So they were worried about that connection. And then, you know, so that's why you got the name Phantom.
It is, that's exactly the reason why so. So because each one of us had our own reason for trying to not necessarily come out into the public with it. For our families, we ended up going with a name for Phantom so that, you know, it was five phantoms. Nobody really knows what's going on and, and try to be out of the out of the spotlight as far as individual people,
Brandy Von Holten
okay, and then I'm over here, like, here's their names, and here's where they work, and here's what they do. So, um, I mean,
Chris Groves
well, that was years ago. And nowadays we're, we're all okay with it. So it's
Brandy Von Holten
okay, cuz like, whenever I walked in, I was like, it's kinda like yells names List. Oh, yeah. You know, with naming of stuff. You know, that was one of the reasons why we have a facility called von Holten ranch, and we have a wedding venue. And we did that because we wanted the our land has been in the same family since 1906. But now, we have different businesses. And von Holten. My last name sounds like a moron like sucker punch somebody like Pam, it sounds like a strong name. It sounds a very strong name. So like our new businesses, like my husband has something with a router, a CNC router that he's is called Building with David, that just sounds a lot nicer, a little softer, a little softer. And then my horsemanship things that I've been teaching online is called Horsemanship with Brandy. Like it just we want it to be more average Joe, you know, we want it to be a little bit more inviting, because the people that we that those businesses service are beginner or novice or children. So we wanted to be inviting in our last name is just strong. And I was a wonderful fighting name, I will tell you that whenever they would call von Holten to the ring, like people were like, Oh my gosh,
Chris Groves
is that a German name? Very German,
Brandy Von Holten
very German, ever. So there's a class system. And they would say, well, you're low class, you work in class, you high class, okay? And you can identify that by the last name. So there's Holton, Van Holton von Holten. So and I could, if we, if it was based on this, we would be just like the Hilton's or the von Holten. Okay, we wouldn't be von Holten. My husband and I are pretty blue collar America hard workin'. And you know, but, you know, back in the day for the people that were moving away from Germany, I'm sure it took a lot of income, you know, a lot of so I'm sure they were Vaughn, you know, von Holten is being able to move countries and get reestablished, right, like, so tell us about this property. I noticed there's a bunch of train staff, like what is that all about?
Mike Hammerly
Yeah, it's kind of a one of those things that with the history of the area, what happened here at this location back in 1904, you had all these people going into the World's Fair. And right here at this site, Dead Man's curve was the World's Fair train wreck. And it was a big historical thing back in the day, and it's, you know, go look on internet and do a lot of research on it. And it happens to be at this location.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay. Do you know the number of people that were 29? Okay, that is a big deal. You know, in Ford trucks deaths, right? Yes. Yeah. You know, for sure, you would think that they would be able to know that there was going to be a wreck. I'm some you know, like, because were they on the same track.
Chris Groves
So what ended up happening was, it was a passenger train that actually left out of Kansas. And it was going to St. Louis for the 1904 World's Fair. The train was overbooked, and it was too full of people. So in Lee's Summit was at least at least Summit, they actually took the train and divided into two trains. Okay, okay. So they, so they took half the people off, they took those people, and they said, Okay, well, we're gonna get another engine and another passenger car, and we're going to put you on that train. And meanwhile, we're going to send this first train on, well, coming out of Sedalia was a freight train. And they had pulled off onto a siding in order to wait for that first train to go by.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, now it gets I didn't know there was a second train because I didn't have cell phones. Exactly.
So there was a lot of confusion at that point in time about what happened, why did it happen and that kind of stuff. But ultimately, what ended up happening was they got back they saw a train go by, they got back onto the main line thinking that their train had gone by, oh, no. And then at that same time, they released the second train out of the summit. And so as it was coming together, they realized that the two trains were going to head on. But they had already released the trains. They were already on the way. And there's no way to stop that.
Brandy Von Holten
And could you imagine the people that figured this out before the trains had hit to know it, but then not be able to a ride a horse fast enough to get here b drive a vehicle fast enough to get here? They have? I mean, what telegram ? Yeah.
Mike Hammerly
Telegraph's Before who had many vehicles, you know? Yeah. And there's
Brandy Von Holten
Yeah, you would have had to have a mode of transportation. Oh, yeah, I bet that made somebody just sick. I mean, like, I couldn't imagine like, right now, if I was thinking like, Oh, these two cars are about to hit head on. And I can't get in touch with them because their cell phones dead. Like it would be devastating, especially with 29 people.
Chris Groves
And then because it happened right here on dead man's curve. You could actually see the train coming. Right. So the two trains were at full speed whenever they rounded the curve and actually saw each other. At that point in time. Of course, you know, you throttle down, you throw on the brakes. And I think the
Mike Hammerly
lower one is on Bear Creek, so it's a lower altitude. And so then when this one's coming around a demand curve, they couldn't see each other. Yep. So he's coming down the hill and the ones coming up the hill, and then that's where the credit collided.
Brandy Von Holten
So I see that yeah, I've got pictures all around here where y'all how did that happen?
Mike Hammerly
That's kind of one of the things were after, you know, doing the research on the whole 1904 World's Fair. We approached the St. Louis Historical Society on the World's Fair train wreck, and we got some rights to use all the pictures there and then we also contacted the Missouri Pacific Railroad and got rights to use their logo of the Penan that was give to people that rode the train 1904 World's Fair. Pen that said World's Fair on and everything. So we've kind of recreated a lot of that. There's a big picture of the whole world's fairs you walk in the door. And then on the right side, there's also the article of Phantom. We call it the Phantom news, where we rewrote the article of three different newspapers and put them into one. So you got all the facts from three different newspapers that all each one had their own spin on it, but they all were accurate on their side of it, because where they were positioned at the time of their
Brandy Von Holten
Oh, accurate news, what is that?
Mike Hammerly
Oh, I'm just for serving history.
Brandy Von Holten
Yes. Well, so the okay talking about getting the rights to being able to use something. One time I wanted to put the Wonder Woman logo on some, it was a women's only event. Do you know some of that stuff's really not that hard to get you but it took me I had to get, I had to get out Cade in two different states to be able to put it onto a horse show ribbon and then get like a piece of paper sent to the person that was making the ribbons, because I didn't want to get into any trouble. But man, you know, some of that's just asking, and they'll let you do things. So, but a lot of people don't ask, they just Ana, just ask. And then I've got some really cool ribbons. And people don't even realize how much work it took for me to make that happen to be able to they're really beautiful. There's like 30 inches, and they get the Wonder Woman brand all the way down the sides. We used to have these all around cowgirl challenges at our facility. So the Pacific Railroad was the one that had, okay, Missouri Pacific, I our ranch and all of our businesses actually on Pacific school road, and we have an old schoolhouse that is still on them. It's not functioning. My husband's father, I think he was in his 80s when he passed away, and that school only went to the eighth grade and my husband's father was able to finish the seventh grade in there. And that was the year that they had closed. So y'all also have a schoolhouse here on this property?
Mike Hammerly
Back in the day, a guy named Jay H. Mays actually owned most of the property in the area, and the schoolhouse was named after him over here on the hill. Right now the foundation and part of the roof is still there. Some of our wishes and plans someday is maybe to reconstruct that school house. Finally, we're trying to find, you know, images. We got some people from Johnson County Historical Society trying to find stuff like that, so we could recreate that. But it JH may schoolhouse up here on the hill in 1883.
Brandy Von Holten
So our property, y'all are 1904 this land whenever it had a bunch of historical or historical things happen here. And then we're 1906 where the fourth generation to get to own our land and have businesses on it. And you know, I think a lot of people, they just don't take the time to connect back to historical things. But I love that because it makes you unique. So whenever people pass this, a lot of times they're like, oh, that's that vodka place. And I'm like, do that V is for five. Okay, so tell us about how you came about getting Colton's in here. Tell us about all of that connection.
Chris Groves
So ultimately, what we ended up doing was whenever we were building the new building, one of the complaints that we always had at our previous facility was that it was alcohol only we didn't have any food. And so all the customers that were coming in were saying it'd be nice if there was some sort of snacks or bar food or something. So whenever we built a new building we really wanted there to be a restaurant some sort
Brandy Von Holten
of food. Hold on where was the old building?
Chris Groves
So we were just down the road on DD. Okay, there's a little sandwich building, okay. They used to make sandwiches for like C stores.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, and y'all were y'all were just in DD? Yep. Yep.
Mike Hammerly
What did you say? We were at the roundabout on DD mount on
Brandy Von Holten
the roundabout a DD Okay. All right. So you're right here at Warrensburg? Not very long. Not maybe what, two miles a mile and a half away. Okay. All right. And so this was what I will tell you, whenever we used to pass this, we were like, Whew, that's a big old wedding barn going up. And they didn't build that. Well, we're always away, you know, but yeah, we were like, no one's no one's gonna be beautiful. They put, or they put an elevator in there.
Mike Hammerly
I mean, like, fireplace many times. Oh, basically, it's gonna be the biggest fireplace I've ever seen.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, so y'all decided to come here. So go ahead and back about cold so
Chris Groves
so at the time, we were just looking for a restaurant and we sold our product, two colons at the time, the chain. And so we were basically good friends with them at the time. And so we said, wanting to put a restaurant into our building. We don't know the first thing about a restaurant. So could you give us some pointers tips helped, you know, how do we lay out the kitchen? How do we how do we handle these things? We just don't know. And so they started giving us all these pointers and tips on how to do that. But at the end of the day, you know, we're just looking for someone to manage a restaurant, right? We wanted to build the restaurant, and then leave that open for someone to come in and manage. And basically, they are like, Why don't you consider us and at the time, it was just the managers, you know, whatever restaurant name we chose, they would just come in and manage that restaurant.
Brandy Von Holten
See, I didn't know that that was a service of Colton's. So I didn't understand that but they can just manage one and it no be a Colton's.
So it's just a it's just the managers, the owners of those Colton's wanted to come in and basically just take this on as a side project. Okay. And then ultimately, at the end of the day, they ended up pitching it to the actual Colton's chain. There was some apprehension there. But eventually, they said, Yeah, let's give it a shot so
Brandy Von Holten
well, because Warrensburg is not very far away from the town of Sedalia and Sedalia is the closest large town to me where we're at, but they just thought that y'all would,
they thought initially that there would be there was a lot of apprehension in the fact that building another colton and so close to a already existing coltons right, would end up taking away a lot of a lot of their business. But at the end of the day, it actually ended up helping their business.
Brandy Von Holten
Well, I could see that because then people actually knew about colton's. So like if, well, this town of Warrensburg has UCM in it. So it's a University of Central Missouri. And that's where you actually graduated from it is and I graduated from there once you graduate from my school of hard knocks, oh, man, that's
Mike Hammerly
how are you? That's a rough I'm still going to school. Oh, okay. My company's puts me through school constantly. No, I did a lot of classes at State Fair Community College.
Brandy Von Holten
My husband, who is way more talented than me. He didn't graduate from state, he needed two more classes. And that man, I've got three college degrees and he's made more money than me every time and it's well worth it. You know. So I understand that about the hard knocks. Those Hard Knocks are lessons that a lot of people don't have and it just that work ethic really has helped place him into some wonderful positions. And I'm over here like, dang it. I went to school forever. So we were talking about what were we talking about right there.
Mike Hammerly
We went through the cold and now we
Brandy Von Holten
Oh with Colton, you know, and then Colton is in Sedalia. They have that State Fairgrounds is hoppin I mean they've always got events there all the time. So I can see how they would be a little bit worried but people in Sedalia are not going to drive a lot of times all the way to Warrensburg just to eat at a coltons and the people around Warrensburg are not going to drop all the way to Sedalia. You know, there's already so much. There's such huge populations in both of those cities are both of these towns so I could see, I can see how they would help each other because then when the Warrensburg people go to Sedalia, they're gonna be oh, they're familiar. And they're like, Oh, that was a nice restaurant. So the other
thing to mention on that is, is that ultimately, at the end of the day, Colton's rents the space from us. But, but they're also, I can't say a partner, but they're very close with us. Right? So they actually end up doing all of our tastings. Okay, so we don't have the old building, we used to do tastings ourselves. And we still would here too, but because they have the restaurant, and they're pouring at a bar. It made more sense to have them do our tastings for us.
Mike Hammerly
So they do flights to flights of five flavors or attend flavor flight.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, so whenever you say tastings, tastings means what, what is that? What's the definition of a tasting,
Chris Groves
essentially, if you don't want to purchase a whole bottle, or you're skeptical of what the flavor is gonna Oh, okay, you could go in and alcohol. You could go in and buy a flight
Brandy Von Holten
like Budweiser. Whenever we went to the Budweiser plant before we wanted to try all of their beers and then we'll figure out what we want. And so they do that for you. See, there's a lot of confusion there because we view them as we view you and Colton as one entity, but you're a distillery and you built a building for your distillery that has a large enough space for a restaurant, and then Carlton's rents the building from you but then they do their tastings for you. Correct? Okay, boy, that's
Mike Hammerly
so it gets a little twisted. And then one more added to it. We have our gift shop right in front of it. All right. It's another, you know, called business entity.
Chris Groves
No, I mean, it's part of us. It's our it's our retail shop.
Brandy Von Holten
Right? I love going in there you'll have some really nice things that have been laser etched that are for sale and things that have been used with the CNC that's in there also and then all the different alcohols in there and you'll have something that is I'm gonna buy it because of the color. The one that's blue, okay, you then tapped into my cowgirl? My cowgirl is like I've got to buy that because of the color because it's gonna taste good because it's pretty. So what is that one? blue one?
Mike Hammerly
There's a whole story behind that one. Oh, so, lake time addiction. Basically what it's called is lake, addiction. Yeah, like time addiction. So if you look at the battle back of every bottle, there's a story behind it. Okay. And so with that one there, we actually kind of sponsor a band called Lake, basically Dirt Road Addiction. They wrote a song called Lake Time, it's about spending too much money at the lake, drinking beer and doom. What have you, you know? Well, we basically, when we were first name, and then it was we were called lakewater. And that just nobody says that sounds good. Because
Brandy Von Holten
it makes me think about somebody Peeing. Yeah, yeah.
Mike Hammerly
So then what we did was, they had that song called Lake Time, and we talked to them and then we just decided where to add the word addiction to it, because it's going to be addictive once you start drinking it. Oh, no. And it's a pretty good drink. It's kind of our island drink.
Brandy Von Holten
It's got coconut in it, right? Oh, I love coconut. Okay, so here we go. Y'all, y'all don't know very much about me. I'm from South Texas. I was. I'm Tex almost Mex is what I that's, that's where I'm from. Okay. And then I moved to Arkansas whenever my family needed kind of like a new start. Okay, so the whole world didn't know, everything that they had done wrong. And then I moved to Missouri, I chose between Missouri and New Jersey, for which state I wanted to train with for martial arts. Okay, so the thing that you don't know is we got some southern cooking, right? Like that some weird stuff in it. You have got to try pumpkin pie, not alcohol, like real pumpkin pie. But you got to put coconut flakes in it. And don't do it a little bit. You need to go heavy with it. So every bite, like it's connected to the next piece with how much coconuts in it. And you'll be like, what did I just eat?
Mike Hammerly
secret secret ingredient inner zucchini breads, coconut. Oh, it is. So that takes it to a whole nother level.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, yeah, well, the, my husband can't stand it. But I can't eat, I can't eat it without it. I am all about that coconut in there. What other, so tell us about your other. Other, we can't call them brandies. And they're not vodkas. So what exactly are they?
Chris Groves
So just to give a little background on that? So according to the TTB?
Brandy Von Holten
Sounds like an airplanes going off in here? What is that? I'd be there just to get just the air kicked out. Or if y'all hear that, it's just the air kicked on. So sorry about it. All right. So what is T T? E?
Chris Groves
TTB? TTB? Tobacco alcohol tax bureau. Okay,
Brandy Von Holten
government. All right. So the fancy stuff that tells us what to do?
Chris Groves
Yeah, they're the ones that make the rules and regulations for the laws that we have to follow as a distillery.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay.
Chris Groves
so the regulation is that Brandy is anything that's made from fruit, and so were made from Apple. So that's why we're in that brandy world. Okay. However, Brandy, traditional brandy, and the term brandy, according to their definition is not distilled above 160 proof. Art product is distilled up to 192 proof, somewhere between 185 and 192. And so, once you go above 160, we're technically no longer brandy. We're now in our own class of we don't know called distilled spirits specialty.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, so you're almost a brand you're closest to brandy. But you are to be a to be brandy, because you're too high of proof.
Chris Groves
We are distilled it to higher proof.
Brandy Von Holten
Yeah. Wow, what a great problem. What a great problem. Okay, so what tell us about some of the other things that you have, like flavors and stuff.
Mike Hammerly
So it's like Chris wes talking about because we start off at 190 of our very first product that everything comes from is what we call venom. So we actually bottle and we don't really try to push it other than sales here. But we sell a product called Venom. It's 190 proof. So it's a if you want to add that to some of our flavors to amp it up. You got that and then from there, because we're at 190, that allows us to fall into neutral spirits also. So we make a vodka. And so really good vodka.
Brandy Von Holten
So explain to me what I neutral. What did you say neutral spirits is?
Chris Groves
So again, back to the TTB neutral spirits is anything that's distilled greater than 190. So once it's distilled above 190 According to the federal government, it can become anything else. So that's why they call it neutral spirits. Okay, so we can take our brandy up to 190. So then it becomes neutral, and then we can bring it back down to vodka.
Brandy Von Holten
And what is vodka's numbers?
Chris Groves
vodka's anything that comes off is still greater than 190
Mike Hammerly
We actually proof it at 180.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, explain again.
Mike Hammerly
So we take the one you know the vodka and basically we cut it down to 80 proof,
Brandy Von Holten
okay? And so it has to be so it has to be 80 to be vodka?
Chris Groves
It has to be distilled greater than 190. To become to get the term neutral spirits or vodka, okay? And then we actually take that and we bring it down to 80 proof.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, what
Mike Hammerly
takes the basically the filtration process to make it a vodka has to be
Chris Groves
to polish it. Yep.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay. All I'm thinking about is fuels. You know what I mean? We're like that hyper. Yeah, yeah. I'm thinking about stuff. Yeah, race car stuff and jet engines, and then it comes down to like, diesel fuel, you know, but then diesel is so much more expensive right now than other things which cracks me up because it's not distilled as much. In fact, if I've got that correct, or am I wrong about that?
Chris Groves
So So vodka is very highly distilled, right? But we want to bring it down to 80 solids drinkable. Okay. Yeah. Because
Brandy Von Holten
if not, you're just gonna be like you're drinking rocket fuel. Yeah. Oh, my gosh, you giggle about that. That's awesome. So tell us about some of the other flavors. So you've got venom that does sound crazy. But y'all have not talked about my favorite yet. Okay,
Mike Hammerly
just go through the flavors. Yeah, this one we made was peach. Peach recipe number five, or peach orchard recipe number five is our is the first one.
Chris Groves
And we kind of joke about that because it took us so many attempts to get our first recipe approved through the government. Okay, and so that was our, quote, unquote, fifth attempt to get it approved that we can sell it.
Brandy Von Holten
It takes so much time to get everything to go through the government. It took me three attempts to get Big Boss Mare trademarked now, so it's just people don't understand paperwork that goes into being a professional whose desk it falls on. Yeah. Okay, so you have peach, you've got venom, you've got the..
Mike Hammerly
So right after peach we go to butterscotch. Okay. And then from there, number one sellers, old fashioned oatmeal cookie.
Chris Groves
favorite. So I got a great story on that. And actually, it's just a story that we had. Yes. So when we first made that Mike and I were collaborating on what can we do, and how can we do this and, and we had an idea of how we could add oatmeal, because we make everything out of whole juices. So we have alcohol, we have whole juices, and that's how we come up with our product. But we had an idea of how we were going to add in oatmeal flavor. And we thought it would go great. And so we tried it. And then we put that out and we put it in five little bottles and we took it out to all of our partners. Everything's approved partners, and we had them all try it and every all of them's would basically like no, we're not making oatmeal cookie. We're not making this. It's horrible stuff. We're not making it. So they take it home to their wives and so So literally we said take these home, take them back to your wives, make sure your family agrees. And in the meantime, we're gonna pour it out. And that'll be the end of it. We will never ask again.
Mike Hammerly
That night our phones are blowing up with text, we're making oatmeal cookie.
Chris Groves
Please don't dump it out. Don't get rid of it.
Brandy Von Holten
Oh my gosh, I I'm trying to make y'all very rich apparently, from that because I talk about that nonstop. And we talk about it in our ranch. And then y'all are another person that I had interviewed was is Jason worthley With patio 52 And that is a restaurant and bar that's in Stover just opened up. Yeah, and well that Yep, may they will be open for a year nothing like open up at the end of the pandemic. And, man, we have so many horse trail riders and people that come in, and they're all hitting up Patty 52 for some oatmeal cookie brandy from Phantom 5, like they've got it. Like, here's all the words that you need to say to find this masterpiece. And I don't I don't like anything like that. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not like all our hard liquor. You know, like, I mean, it makes me like whenever my husband and I go to Mexico, he likes everything to be really sweet. Like he likes pop and all the time and he likes fruits and stuff and then I'll usually like bourbon. I'll just, I don't even want it. I think it's called on the rocks. I just like I
Mike Hammerly
No rocks and the rocks on the rocks. Yeah,
Brandy Von Holten
I don't want nothing in there. Just the verb. Yeah, then I like it neat. But and then here I am. I feel like I'm branching out and being a little bit more feminine with like a flavored alcohol because usually this I'd like a smoked bourbon. I should be about a 70 year old man with a cigar with my bourbon. But now I love your oatmeal cookies. Take
Mike Hammerly
your bourbon little milk is the best of both worlds.
Brandy Von Holten
Good. Okay, I'll I will I trust you with alcohol for sure. Because like that oatmeal cookie, so who anybody got some love of oatmeal and your family to make have to decide to do
Mike Hammerly
that kind of goes? Maybe in a sales guy. Every morning I usually before I hit the road from grab, I go and do my stuff at the shop and then I'm getting ready hit the road. So I go into a convenience store. Always grab the two pack of soft oatmeal cookies and sweet tea and I hit the road. And
Brandy Von Holten
are you sure you're not from the south?
Mike Hammerly
Yeah, so, you know, I'm just always been oatmeal cookie fan and, and we got stories from people coming in telling us that they're making their oatmeal cookies with our oatmeal cookie. Alcohol. And they always joke around the grandkids sleep better.
Brandy Von Holten
It's uh, Joe. Yeah. So okay, well, um, so
Mike Hammerly
then with going to the next flavor from oatmeal, old fashioned oatmeal cookie than we had come up with cran raz. So cran Raz is a cranberry with a black raspberry. So if you've ever had cranberry, it's always tart and kind of got that bite to it.
Brandy Von Holten
Yeah, and just made me have like a little bit of just like, I felt a little acid reflux. And I haven't even drank it because I was like, oh, it's gonna be tart. Yeah.
Mike Hammerly
But the black raspberry kind of takes that out of it. And Chris and I really kind of honed in on that. And I really felt like that kind of made that unique.
Brandy Von Holten
What made you do black raspberry instead of red raspberry.
Chris Groves
We wanted black raspberry a little sweeter. Okay, so we wanted that that so what it gives you that pop of tart in the beginning, which gives you that you know, that sour face, and then it finishes up with a super sweet black raspberry.
Brandy Von Holten
Gosh it sounds like a Sour Patch Kid. You know, it's mean at first and then it's nice.
Mike Hammerly
Well, you know, going going back to recipes and what everything does so going back to my sweet tea, our peaches great and sweet tea for that in there. The cran razz is really good and sweet tea. And are lemons really good sweet tea. Well, yeah,
Brandy Von Holten
because that lemon, what is that make it? Is that an Arnold Palmer?
Mike Hammerly
yep. So then what from cran raz we go to beach plum, which, you know, pre in his previous day was called premium vine. And we basically got a thing to rename that.
Brandy Von Holten
So a plum. Plums are what makes the flavor for Dr. Pepper.
Mike Hammerly
So this is actually a tree or bush right?
Chris Groves
Well, this is...our flavor is grape. And so basically we're calling it premium vine because it was grape. There's a another distiller another winery that shares our name. But not in this state.
Mike Hammerly
Or the product does not them. Right. Right. Okay.
Chris Groves
Anyway, and so our name became a point of contention.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, so yeah, oh, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Oh, oh, so you trademarked your
Chris Groves
way into, oh, they trademark their stuff. We we had a little bit of a legal battle. At the end, we won. But out of courtesy, we went ahead and changed our name to beach plum. Okay, well, in that process, we decided not to use the word grape, green, purple vine vineyard, because they're a winery and they wanted that portion. Okay. And so what we did was we did a little research and found out that beach Plum is a great lookalike that grows on beaches. And so we're like
Brandy Von Holten
the story we're doing. It's a sophisticated naming, you know, I like that.
Chris Groves
So we're not we're not, we're not plumb, we're the lookalike of grape. It's
Mike Hammerly
really got the flavor of a sangria too. So it kind of goes the wine background. So then it's got a little pear, little Apple and to citrus, and then the grape comes on the backside. And so those flavors kind of come delayed wouldn't you say, Chris?
Chris Groves
Well, it's funny how the flavors hit the palate, because it's like the palate takes each of those flavors in turn.
Brandy Von Holten
I will tell you, I'm so intrigued. Like, I'm going to try that before I leave because I'm over here, like you mixed all that, you know, the part that I'm like, Ooh, I know that the pear whenever you said pear was in and I'm like, Okay, I'll try that.
Chris Groves
And it's a prickly pear so you can feel it. Oh, okay. All right. It's weird. It's funny how it hits the palate.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, why? Yeah, because I love whenever flavors confuse me. That sounds very confusing. It sounds like a lot but then it's probably going to come all together.
Chris Groves
Well, it was it was our the since it was the next flavor after cranraz and we had really good experiences with mixing those two flavors and how they played with each other. We thought, well, let's take it to the maximum level. It's really mixed us up and that's kind of where that came from.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, well, I hope you win every award in the world with That was because that just sounds like a lot. I mean, I love it, though, you know I have, I have a cup that I sell a lot of. And it says if I'm too much, then go find less. So that's what that flavor. Like, it's, that's the vibe I'm getting from that flavor as the name is
Mike Hammerly
we find that is a regional thing too. We find areas that like it more than others. So it's kind of one of those unique things on we'll call it on the sales side of it.
Brandy Von Holten
We sell ice cream at our place. And it's Missouri product, they make it with Missouri, honey, and they sweet or they sweeten it with Missouri honey, and it's made just with Missouri dairy, but we sell so much banana ice cream at our place, but I think because I'm all like, oh my gosh, that banana ice cream. And then I'm like if you put a scoop of peanut butter on top of and you get a little bit of peanut butter, and then that banana. So see I was like, raised with Elvis Presley. Like my parents loved Elvis Presley, so I'm all like, Peanut butter and banana belong together. But yeah, maybe, you know, you might have some big people that like love those in those different areas, and they're gonna push them because every person that asked me which ice cream I'm like, banana, banana, you know, and like, my husband likes a strawberry. And they're like, Well, what about this butter pecan? I'm like, yeah, it's good. But you asked me what was my favorite? So, you know, you never know what who's pushing what. So do you have any other flavors?
Mike Hammerly
The next flavor is kind of one of those ones. That was our first flavor. But we didn't release it till was it? 405? Or it
Chris Groves
was actually the first flavor we attempted. Well, we never quite got it right. How we were picky. So we never, we never got it to the way we wanted it until later on. So we actually started with our apple.
Mike Hammerly
So it's called spirited apple orchard. So the spirits part of the Phantom and the haunting in the the distillery in the location, okay, but I always like to use what Jim Stuck, says, Jim and I were our partners and he says that it's like a hallmark moment, you should be sitting in front of a campfire sipping with your sweetie,
Brandy Von Holten
we can make that happen. Yeah, you know, with our ranch, you can do that we've got 40 RV sites, that means we got 40 campfires, actually, we got 44 campfires, because a lot of Sippin' sites for sure. And you know, here I'll tell you something funny about our guests. If I hear the F bomb a lot. I'm like, it's either a cop or nurse. Isn't that I mean, like, that's what we we love our clients, man. We have we have some events called chicks in the sticks. Those are one of my favorites. And it's all inclusive women's event and one of them you gotta be at least 50 to come to those things are maxed out this year. So I've Those are Big Boss Mare productions, okay, because it's a female only event. And then I've started doing some business coaching. Well, those are called Country Tough Business Coaching, because I didn't I I've had five businesses I've helped so far, but four of them were male owned. While I didn't need I don't sure a man's not gonna be looking for business coaching and something that says Big Boss, Mare. Yeah, you know. So do you have any other flavors?
Mike Hammerly
Yeah. So then the next one would be watermelon. And Chris come up with a pretty good deal with that one, watermelons got its own thing. But to be making natural and herbal, one of the things we pride ourselves is 100% natural juices, and that's why we try to make it so it's made from the best ingredients. Well, he come up with idea to put a little bit of cucumber extract in it to give it that rine feel to the you get that a little hint of that on taste of
Chris Groves
whatever you whenever you get the juice from the watermelon, right? It's just the it's just the ripe watermelon. Right? And so most people when they eat it, physically eat it, you get a little rine,
Brandy Von Holten
right? So so I'm like, Man, I can tell you like I'm a foodie. If people don't know me that they're they're tuning in because they knew the guys but they don't know me. Um, you know, the the name of this is Big Boss Mare, so I'm big. I'm a big girl. Okay? I love different foods and stuff and the fact that you are, you're playing on my emotions with adding that cucumber in there, because it's going to bring you back to a time drinking this right here is going to make you like, man, so many memories are attached to a flavor. Or like whenever I smell something, I'm like, oh, that person's making rolls like my grandma or all. I remember that. That's whenever I lived in Biloxi, Mississippi, and I did research over shrimp for a summer, you know, like different things will bring you back to different times in your life and the fact that you're putting a little bit of the rine taste in with the watermelon. That's genius. That's cool. What made you I mean, like,
Chris Groves
Well, I mean, the watermelon seems sweet, right? Like, well, watermelon is, but it never had that. Remember, I'm picky, right? Were picky. So it never quite had that flavor. Ever that you eat watermelon, right? So how you get to that flavor of what you eat. And finally, one day I ate too much. Okay, get into the real sour, right? And you're like, oh, that's what I'm missing.
Brandy Von Holten
And you're dismissing that little twang that little man that's really is so smart. I am like, I'm impressed. I mean, a lot of people in our in all the different all of our different businesses, I meet a lot of people. And that impressed me. So
Mike Hammerly
cool. Thanks. Thank you. Well, that's a you know, going back to the to the watermelon. One of those things we had one of our very first places that took us on was craft beer cellar, and they had a cucumber beer, so they would actually put our watermelon in the cucumber beer and it made the most phenomenal beer drink you ever had.
Brandy Von Holten
We they would put. Explain that to me one more time.
Mike Hammerly
So ccraft beer seller has basically a can of cucumber beer. And so never they make. I know, they make tons of different beer, you know, everybody's you know, just like the breweries and distilleries trying to set some stuff unique. Well, that cucumber beer paired with our watermelon is just out of this world. so then talking about beers. You look at something like natural light and our cran raz people are putting that in crap in our in their natural light and makes a really nice summer drink.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, I cannot wait to tell my horse clients to listen to this and my camping clients. Because I mean, just mixing some things where so they could stop. Y'all are here on 50 highway and you'll see the sign in the air and then you got to you got to put the brakes on pretty quick because you got to turn before you get to your sign then they could come down and you've got your store in the front and then y'all are also where were some locations that you're sold that well while that's got a couple of stores that you're in Yeah, we've recently got some more distributors taken us on we're really starting to branch out
Mike Hammerly
you can find this right now probably in I don't know there was what 12 and 12 counties there was a 20 I mean it we're getting out there everything from Kansas City to will be in Joplin for you know down like the Ozarks, St. Louis it'll be we do have a store locator is probably the easiest way to do it. It's on on Phantom v.com And we have a store locator
Brandy Von Holten
you know with us we hosted an event called The Great American trail horse festival and we had people from 20 states come and three countries and man we have clients that come to camp at our facility just because of Charlie's buffet.
Mike Hammerly
how many bottles can you get on a carry on?
Brandy Von Holten
Yes, you know we we have people will like our chicks in the sticks events. We we rent a limo or a charter bus. And then we go to mom and pop shops because instead of going to a chain, we wanted to go something. But people are they love to you know, with fuel prices and the way the economy is right now. Whenever they go somewhere, they really want to have an experience. And that was something that I liked about y'all's stuff because you're people coming together
Mike Hammerly
for the destination. That's what everybody's saying.
Brandy Von Holten
Oh, there we go. That was that's that's pretty good. Right there. Yeah. People love having more to do instead of just come and camp if it's raining or something. I mean, you're I think it took me a little bit less than an hour to get here maybe run out an hour. It's not that it seems like it takes me forever to get into Sedalia.
Mike Hammerly
45 minutes for me. Yeah.
Brandy Von Holten
So it's not really that bad. And you don't even live very far from us. No, I know. That's so weird yourself. I'm 65. And so are we. But you know, so what are your what's your goal? Like worldwide? Yeah, I want to,
Mike Hammerly
I don't know, you know, we're just we've think we've finally gotten Missouri figured out we're getting close to having Missouri taken care of we've been working on distribution that's starting to really go for us. A lot of our thing right now is you know, getting production up there. We've got four or 500 gallon stills and two of them are up and going and two more are ready to go online and then we got you know, our bottling line that's getting fine tuned and we're getting going from there.
Brandy Von Holten
Well you know what, my husband has a business called Building with David where we're building it's for children that are homeschooled or people that just their kids like to build while we're adding on to our shop because that CNC can only make so many kits. It's like that router thing. So the expansion on our shop. He needs the room right now just to be more comfortable, but we have to get enough power in there but we're going to end up make gain it large enough to have three CNCS because we're trying to stay ahead of our growth. And, you know, with that business, I mean, he makes with me being a former school teacher. And there's no state standards in Missouri for shop class, which is industrial technology, but there are national standards. So we send them this kit. And it, it has a complete curriculum with it, and it has worksheets, and we have different levels and everything. So we're trying to get the ball rolling, but then keep up with our current needs. But then we're trying to look at our future projections at the same time. So I can understand y'all have the same like
Mike Hammerly
we have a lot and we'll call it in r&d that's out there that we're working on r&d. Yeah. So we have a certain development. Yeah. So we got all kinds of flavors out there that we hope to introduce someday. I mean, you know, we were talking about, you know, watermelon was last one. And then the next time, though, you know, the one that I like to talk about a lot is the lemon. That's next, because it's like lemon jello. And one thing we found out about when we were doing that was that the Air Force Base, all those guys go to Italy, and they say it's the closest thing to limoncello they've ever found. Okay. And the lemon extract that Chris found is phenomenal. Basically, what is it the
Chris Groves
it's the it's the Verde lemon out of Italy, and they've never allowed it for export until two years ago. We were the first.
Mike Hammerly
Oh, okay. It's literally the size of a nerf football.
Chris Groves
The lemon itself grows to the size of a nerf football.
Brandy Von Holten
That's crazy. I know that when I fought in Italy before, that was one of the five countries I fought in. And they had lemon flavored gum. And it just felt so refreshing . And then lemon. I put a whole bunch of lemon juice and lemon zest into my competition pies. Because it makes me think about summertime. And you know, so yeah, I love lemon is it's so refreshing. And it makes you it makes you once again it takes you to another place in your mind
Mike Hammerly
when our lemon was key to making your favorite the lake time addiction. Because without that lemon, right and Chris can test this. We went through a lot of lemons. A lot of different lemons. Oh, yeah, it was crazy. I know what one night sevens to seven versions on the r&d bar test and through people. And we really take pride in our lemon we have so then that allowed us to make the next one which was like time addiction. And so then from there, you got like time addiction. And then our last one we got on there as cherry and then in r&d. We got quite a few. I think Christmas favorites should be the next one. I hope so. We got one called Sunset mango that we think is gonna be a killer.
Brandy Von Holten
Sunset May. Well the naming is beautiful. The naming is great. You know, I teach one of the horsemanship things that I teach. I'm the only mounted archery instructor in the state of Missouri. And in Sedalia, they have neat archery, which is that they don't sell to individuals they sell to larger businesses. Okay, well, they worked with me to create a complete line of mounted archery equipment, but my bag quiver, my bag quiver took forever. I mean, it was, I mean, it probably took us a year and a half with different prototypes. And I'd be like, hey, fix this, fix that. And then I would shoot with it for a while within, they didn't like the wear and tear of some of the things. So they were like, We don't want a product that looks like that. So I understand what you're saying about going through the lemons. Because you you want it to be right, right. And then our gloves like in mounted archery like I am right handed. And so most of the time in regular archery, you would have a glove on your right hand, because you would do a two or a three finger draw. But in mounted archery, you have to use your hand as a shelf. So the glove is on my left hand. While that right there, it was hard to get quality products. So it took us forever to get the glove just right. Because a lot of people that were making mounted archery equipment in the United States, it was an individual and then they wouldn't always be the same size. It wouldn't be exactly the same. So now we have a manufacturer that makes ours, but it took so much work. Oh yeah, we had a world champion come in and he was like, What is this glove? Like it's so much better? And I was like, Yeah, because it's USA made and we went through a company that can make everything always the same. So like, whenever you're talking about all your flavoring and how long it took, I'm like, Oh man, we've been living the same nightmare. But I mean, like it's a cool nightmare but to get things right. You know for a quiver and mounted archery. We have such different sizes of people and and then if it's left or right handed, that's two different ones. And then we have a thigh quiver that we made that where it can swivel to be for a left or a right handed Archer, because it's going to sit on a different part of the body is going to sit on the other side. So just a nightmare, literal nightmare with coming up with that stuff and then just getting it right. But then, man, what a great product that y'all have. And like, oh my gosh, I'm so excited. As soon as we get off here that I've got a date with the non grape thing. What What was it called? Beach plum? Beach? Plum? Yep. Okay. Slow sangria. So if anybody wanted to find you, how do they find your how do they find if they can you? Can they ship? Can you ship your out? You cannot ship it it's got to be bought?
Chris Groves
So Missouri doesn't allow us to ship distilled spirits. Out.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay.
Chris Groves
So we have to, you have to we have to ship to a store or have a distributor, take it to a store and then they can purchase from the store.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay, can another so I mean, some of the people that are probably listening, probably have friends that have alcohol store liquor stores and other states. Could it How could it get another state? No, can't pass the state. whenever we hit the state line, now we change laws and we have to follow the next state's law and then get the
Mike Hammerly
license in that state
Brandy Von Holten
Booo, but like awesome for me.
Mike Hammerly
Answer all the emails I answer every night about can you ship it to us in Arizona, upstate New York, Hawaii, I mean it goes on and on and on.
Brandy Von Holten
So whenever they do come here, then they're going to have a reason to stop. I've heard there's a lot of people that live in Missouri that have a lot of friends out of state that they have to take care of. You know, the family center there. They've got this thing as a smokin pecan seasoning and that's what I use whenever I cook fish. If I went to Arkansas to visit my brother without bringing him some of that. Oh, he would be devastated. I was okay I am now the smoke pecan seasoning chick that for so when he's told friends so now I'm having to I'm like, should've never made fish for Ya. So how did they find you?
Mike Hammerly
Guess, you know, you got Google and that'll pop up Phantom v.com, which you can basically find us at the location we're at here at 85. North northeast 501. Road Warrensburg, Missouri.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay. And then, and then you're on your website of phantom V.
Mike Hammerly
fish store locator kind of store locator trying to catch up. We are it can't keep up with the rate. We're growing right now. So it's a little behind. Yeah, I understand. So we're trying, we're trying.
Chris Groves
So at this point in time, if you're in Missouri, and you're looking to get our product and it's not sold near you. The best thing is to send us an email and we can put that to a distributor and they can find someone in a store near you.
Brandy Von Holten
Okay. I love I mean, I know that I love that y'all are so close to us, because it's an oddity, and people love oddities, especially whenever they've got this wonderful story. So, all right, well, thank you all for tuning into Big Boss Mare with brandy Von Holten
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